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, colorado and ohio. yesterday, obama toured the aftermath of hurricane sandy in new jersey along with governor chris christie who had nothing but kind words for the president. >> has worked incredibly closely with me. i cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for our state and for the people of our state. >> the governor has said he has no intention of bringing romney to new jersey to survey the storm's damage. christie aides are denying any sort of rift with the romney campaign saying it is just about dealing with the storm and not about presidential politics. but one of the main political speculations here is that christie thinks romney has no chance of winning and he is setting himself up for a run in 2016. >>> romney has a good cause to be worried if the polls have anything to say about it. president obama is ahead six points in iowa. that's coming from the nbc news "wall street journal" morris poll. the president's also up by three in wisconsin and two in new hampshire. two
and your ohio poll has obama up five points. the gender gap is big in ohio. obama up in 19 points among women. and another fascinating thing obama gets 43% of the wheat vote, higher than in most states. is it all about the auto bailout, smart move politically? >> it is all about the auto bailout. the chevy cruise which is assembled in ohio has ohio parts. down to the seat covers. and everybody knows that the alternative to the auto bailout would have been 13%, 14% unemployment in that state. chris: is there a national positive for him on the auto front or is it just in a couple of states, wisconsin, obviously michigan, those kind of mi western industrial statse? >> coal being part of the state that's doing well. obviously that message will play better to romney there than to obama. but nevertheless, to back out for a second a look at the economy, generally speaking, you have states important swing states where the unemployment rate is lower than the national average. but the recent set of data we see a brightening of consumer attitudes. we see consumer sentiment and surprisingly at a fi
. awesome. it might of course all come down to ohio. >> obama: thank you ohio! >> oh, my god! >> romney: my guess is that if ohio votes me in as president i'll be the next president of the united states. >> cenk: we have the latest numbers four and we have congressman from ohio on the show today. then we've got one more fun story for you. who do the odds makers think is going to win the whole race? we go to vegas to find out. >> a half hour late for my feeing. as it is, all air traffic in vegas being held up because of a v.i.p. customer in vegas, turns out the president is here for a fundraiser screwing up my day. i'm thinking about this romney guy. >> cenk: well, he might be alone. just wait until we show you the numbers. what my favorite story of the day is, all the pundits are mad at numbers because it shows president obama winning. they're mad at math! that's awesome! it's go time! [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> obama: hello wisconsin! governor romney has been using all his talents as a salesman. >> romney: he has a campaign slogan as moving forward. >> is it wrong for one man to love another man
energy future, now. >>> obama's ohio fire wall. cnn is out with a new poll in the state tonight with the the president leading mitt romney 50-46 and that's unchange frd the last cnn poll in ohio taken just avenue the first debate. john king has been looking at the latest numbers. what else does it tell you? >> it's important to look at this poll. thest a small lead. that's yet another poll the president's kept that narrow lead in ohio. you mentioned the horse race. here's one of the biggest factors. in a battleground state like this, the president's getting the democrats, romney's getting a republicans, the candidate who wins among independents is likely to win. that is critical the watch in the last week to election day. there's also an age divide. it's important as well. you see a huge leap for the president. 56-38, among voters under 50. that's an important part of his constituency. republicans need the older voters by 2i-46. governor romney would like that to be bigger. there's also a racial and gender gap, if you will. i want to put it this way. the president is, if he is a
in florida, with senator marco rubio, paul ryan's bus tour is crisscrossing ohio. president obama visits new hampshire this afternoon. and vice president biden will attend a rally in lynchburg, virginia. let's get right to it. nbc's mike viqueira is joining us from the white house. good saturday morning to you. >> hi, alex. >> first before we get to this president's trip north. is tropical storm sandy affecting any of the white house plans? >> it certainly is. you've heard this phrase, we're familiar with it, an abundance of caution. that's what you're seeing from some of the campaigns today. vice president biden was set to appear in virginia beach right along the coastline with his wife dr. jill biden and son beau biden. that event has been canceled. meanwhile michelle obama, the first lady, was due in new hampshire on tuesday. out of again abundance of caution they have canceled, postponed that event. mitt romney was due in virginia beach where joe biden was supposed to be today. they postponed that event. they've altered their schedules. they're going to be appearing elsewhere. you mentio
termina en número par. >>> el presidente barack obama dijo desde ohio que el país está listo para dar apoyo a los afectados para la labor del huracán sandy y agradeció el apoyo de equipos de rescate y ayuda a las víctimas, el centro médico langore de nueva york que que tuvo que evacuar unos 300 pacientes, dijo que todas las áreas están en servicio, y otros hospitales dicen que están listas sus instalaciones para las próximas dos semanas. >>> el gobernador de nueva jersey, chris christie extendió la votación para dos días más, es la información por el momento regresamos a los estudios ♪. >>> la otra gran noticia es la política la campaña entra en la recta final, el presidente barack obama estuvo en ohio en un acto de campaña para asegurar la victoria en ese estado, uno que podría decidir la elección del martes, el mandatario también tenía programados actos con sus seguidores. >>> mientras tanto el candidato republicano mitt romney también se reúne con electores de ohio y new hampshire, en este último llam'a ganar barrios que tienen cartles del presidente barack
, swing states and ohio, romney colorado. give obama ohio and new hampshire. i think the point i want to make about this map is a broader one and it's a criticism and an expression of bafflement about the romney campaign strategy. if you look at that map, to win to get to 270, they have to win virginia, florida, north carolina. got to win colorado. putting that together, pick off ohio or some combination of wisconsin and plus new hampshire, iowa, nevada. a combination there and the polls out of ohio and wisconsin, not looking good for romney. to me the issue is this. there are states on the map that could have been competitive. oregon, michigan, minnesota, pennsylvania and even maybe where obama had big margins in 2008 like 15, 16-point margins but you have to go back to 2004 to see, you know, a three-point race in minnesota. a three-point race in michigan. these are states, there's a lot of flexibility in these states. if romney with all the money he had and republicans had, outside money, if they had targeted the states early with advertising and then with field work, too, i think i
they need to double down. because barack obama if he wins ohio, he could lose virginia and florida and still win. >> they have been doubling down. they spent all of this time in ohio and because of sandy spent more time in ohio. but if we look at early voting polling that is coming out of ohio and then florida, the president leads. is it the obama ground game that's really pushing them ahead? >> it's the obama ground game. ironically it's also the republican party. when i was in ohio and talked to voters there and called people in florida who were doing early vote there, a lot of what's motivating really record african-american early vote turnout in north carolina, in florida and in ohio is anger about the tone of the republican party on things like voting rights, on things like voter i.d., on what they see as voter suppression. so they're equal part defense of president obama and anger at the republican party. it's driving what looks to be potentially record early african-american vote which only helps the president. >> and lastly the president leading with overwhelming support when voters
and a crucial ohio give obama a narrow edge. and we will be focusing on a violator in today's "washington journal." and our swing state series. we want to hear from voters and not-swing states. we want to hear how the election is playing out how you are. and this from the baltimore sun, charging more the candidates will go in the next couple days. ting where the candidates will go in the next couple days. again, the candidates focusing all of their attention in the days leading up to election day on as swing states. we will go to david and the kentucky on the democratic line. tell us a little bit about how the campaign is playing out in the kentucky, one of the non- swing states. caller: it is mostly just romney signs of here, not many obama signs. i think you will landslide ky. the polls show that. and i hate to say it, but even the preachers are preaching against obama and the pulpit. host: are you motivated to got to the polls? caller: yes. i am going to vote, but i think romney will win it. host: are they talking about issues you care about in kentucky. do you think there are focused
the state that could decide this election. is president obama losing his lead in ohio or not? plus, the politics of demographics and race. >>> and we're tracking a super storm that could wallop the northeast. the forecast for this thing really is frankenstorm. it could influence voting in a few key states. chad myers with the latest. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. it's just common sense. see lioutdoors, or in.ight. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little bette
and ohio. and president obama also has stops planned in wisconsin and virginia still to go. we have live team coverage over the next two hours and chief white house correspondant edhenry. first governor romney will end his day. >> good afternoon. there is talk on the campaign trail about something that president obama said yesterday when he was in ohio. he does this and said something about governor romney and the audience said don't boo but vote. he talked about senate cand date governor romney was opposed to clinton tax increases. listen to where he took that yesterday. at the time the republican congress and a senate candidate by the name of romney. no, no, no. don't boo vote. vote. vote is the best revenge. voting is the best revenge. that is not a thing for the president to say. romney campaign has a new adout that looks as a strange thing for the president to say and an odd reason to vote. mitt romney worked that in new hampshire speech. >> yesterday, the president said something you may have heard by now that surprised a lot of people. speaking to the audience. he said voting is t
. this year, they're holding obama up is making him look pretty good in ohio is that he's got these working class white voters that he lacks in some other states. >> well, it is interesting, aaron, when i was talking to both the romney and obama campaign folks here in columbus yesterday, they said they're going to be watching not suburban columbus, but cuyahoga county and a lot of those working class voters, of course, also african-american voters, but they're looking at the margins in some of those places like barack obama talk about the importance of those votes. >> let me point out about cuyahoga county. president obama beat john mccain in 2008 in cuyahoga county by a larger number of votes and he won the entire state. so it's really important for cuyahoga county. but a very important place for him to run up those margins. we will see bill clinton campaign up in akron, ohio, even further north and east of cleveland. a high point in this state. >> what we talk a lot about is what we add journalists and the talking class talk about what regular americans, ohio and they're talking about. of
. as president obama points out, mitt romney's plan for the auto workers of ohio would have actually sent jobs to china. >> he's hoping you remember that it's likely to create jobs in china because is shifts them overseas instead of here in the united states of america. if mitt romney had been president when the auto industry was on the verge of collapse, we might not have an automobile industry today. we'd be buying cars from china instead of selling to them. >> mitt romney's path to the presidency is impossible without ohio's 18 electoral votes. right now winning ohio is not looking good for romney. six ohio polls were released this week. five of them have president obama leading. one is tied. president obama's average lead in ohio is 2.3 points. that's a big lead, seriously. now families in northern ohio have not forgotten what the rescue of the automobile industry did for their state. one in eight ohio jobs are about the automobile industry. this is why mitt romney is doing everything he possibly can to down play the impact of the auto rescue. his political director says the obama campaign
how to pull off a win in the key battleground state of ohio and break through president obama's so-called midwestern firewall. his campaign is ensure shurg allies there is still a clear path to skrivictory. peter, tell us about this memo. >> reporter: the romney campaign is facing serious questions about the electoral college math. people in ohio here generally think obama has a slight lead also in wisconsin and iowa and nevada. three of those four would give obama the presidency. so the romney campaign knows they're going to have to answer questions about this on the sunday shows tomorrow and on the final days of the race. they circulated a confidential memo to top republican leaders and surrogates. we got our hands on it. this is what they're saying. they're saying they're putting the obama campaign on defense. quote, mitt romney is up or tied with obama in every key battleground state forcing obama on defense in states he won by double digits in 2008 like wisconsin, iowa, michigan, minnesota, and pennsylvania. with the campaigns even on the ground and in early vote, gop enthusia
possible, but again, the key for president obama is going to be ohio. you have florida and virginia to romney. he's at 248, obama 243. colorado leaning toward romney. now give obama new hampshire where he is favored, wisconsin where he is favored. give him iowa, just 263. then we are looking on election night to that all-important state of ohio, obama at 281. if you gave that to romney, look at that, 275-263. that's why it is so key. what is the one state that could keep us up at night? let's look out west. we've been giving it to mitt romney colorado. watch what happens if we give romney florida, virginia, ohio. he's at 266. president obama, what does he need? new hampshire, wisconsin, iowa, all places he's favored and look at the one place that's keeping us up at night, western state, mountain time zone, late closing time, 266, 263, nine electoral votes there could swing it one way or the other. let's look at one last scenario where we could have ourselves a tie. president obama out west is favored in nevada. let's say we give it to mitt romney. it's only a three-point lead in our
about automobile rescue. that is former governor ted strickland of ohio. an obama 2012 campaign co-chair. and also with us tonight is congressman tim ryan of ohio. gentlemen, great to have you with us. governor, you first. i can only think that this is a complete disservice to the people of ohio to go out in front of a crowd and erroneously put out information that cuts right to the fabric of what this election is all about and that's jobs. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is that mitt romney is a desperate man. he knows he's losing ohio. if he loses ohio, he's losing the election. for him to do what he did is despicable. think of the angst that those workers felt when they heard him say that. obviously, it showed a lack of judgment and a lack of truthfulness. this man is not ready to be the president of the united states of america. he is -- as jon huntsman said during the primary season, he is like a well-oiled weather vane. you never know where mitt romney is going to be on any issue on any day. this is just the latest example of his desperation in trying to reach the ohio v
. >> who is he leading with in ohio? >> president obama is leading with women. he's leading with centrist business 0 points. losing independents by two points. losing white men by a considerable margin. leading with folks who make undered 50 e$50,000 a year. so the national themes are evident here in ohio. >> when you say independents and centrists, you're describing them as two separate things. a lot of viewers think independents means centrists. >> in the past, they have. one of the fascinating things about this election, the impact of the tea party on independent voters, it moved them to the right. so you see independents edging toward mitt romney. president obama has had a decided edge among moderates. fascinating new division in the electorate that we're seeing playing out. >> stay here. we'll talk more about this. brianna keeler is in milwaukee. the president will be there later today. three days out. this is the final chance for the president to make his case to voters. what's the final message going to be? >> reporter: he's countering, ali, mitt romney's message where he is talkin
the president a six point lead in ohio. a little better for obama. still very close. now obama may be the top prize for the candidates right now l are other important battleground states. we'll take through over the course of the next hour in a way that only cnn can. john avalon and i traveled more than 1800 miles on cnn's battleground bus tour as the race for the white house reaches its conclusion. no mat wrer i ter where i go, t economy is the most important issue in this election. i've been traveling with john avalon. he joins me now as does my good friend christine romans. she joins me from washington. jim acosta from did he back to you, iowa, where mitt romney just landed. brianna keeler is in milwaukee, wisconsin, traveling with president obama. let's start here in ohio. the state has a very complex economy. here's some of what we've been hearing from voters on this trip. >> just a lot of depressed areas. a lot of joblessness. >> just looking at the unemployment rate, it's so scary to me. >> the last four years has not been very good for our small business. >> with the debt crisis, our
, president obama and mitt romney made their closing arguments today at multiple stops in ohio and wisconsin. take a look at some of the sights and sounds from this day of campaigning. ♪ >> in this campaign he's tried as hard as he can to repackage, to repackage these same policies and offer them up as change. >> do you want more of the same or do you want real change? >> giving more power back to the biggest banks, that's not change. >> and we need real change. >> another $5 trillion tax cut that favors the wealthy, that's not change. >> president obama has tried to convince folks that these last four years have been a success. >> by the way, when you try to change the facts just because they're inconvenient to your campaign, that's definitely not change. >> he wants to take all the ideas from the first term, you know, the stimulus, the borrowing, obama care, all the rest, and then go back and do it all over again. >> you may be frustrated sometimes at the pace of change, but you know what i believe. >> we're four days away from a fresh start, four days away from the first day of a new be
seems pro-obama. pennsylvania will hold, ohio looks good but close, and all the battlegrounds look winnable for the president. the huge question is turnout, that and rational self-interest. the young who believe in science, women who believe in protecting their rights, latinos who can see a brighter future with a supportive president all need to get out, show up, and vote. there's no reward for a failure. in a free society, a democratic society is a failure, deeply personal, you blew it if you don't vote. let's see where it stands. i'm joined by mother jones washington bureau chief david corn and joy reid. do you think i'm a little strong? >> no. >> i don't want to talk to anybody after this election if they haven't bothered to vote. with four days to go, president obama and mitt romney made their closing arguments today at multiple stops in ohio and wisconsin. take a look at some of the sights and sounds from this day of campaigning. ♪ >> in this campaign he's tried as hard as he can to repackage, to repackage these same policies and offer them up as change. >> do you want more
and moss of this rhetoric. >> we are exhausted but i did see one hole in ohio that showed obama ahead by three points, but there was still 7% or 8% still undecided in this poll in ohio. i guess some people are still out there scratching their chins, thinking about what they're going to do. >> eliot: i was back when i was in the arena in that game ways skeptical that on the last weekend the undecided would even turn out. i would look at the raw nubs and say that's how it's going to break. i hope i'm not proven wrong, that the president will take ohio and be okay. do the job numbers matter politically? everyone was waiting. will they matter? >> yes i think they will matter. you know, around the margins, i don't think that the average americans who are more interested in this weekend's football games are sitting around obsessing about the jobs numbers and the readjustments from august and september the way you and i are. but i do think they matter. i think they that create a narrative that says this is a recovery. this is an economy that has been gaining 150 jobs per month this year, and
, ohio, right now. our brand new cnn/orc poll shows president obama with a narrow lead in that state 50% to mitt romney's 47%. that's within the sampling error making it still effectively a dead heat. our chief national correspondent john king is joining us right now. he's in ohio as well. john, take us inside these numbers. >> wolf, they are fascinating when you look deep in this poll. the president you just showed he's here in ohio. governor romney will be here tontd. they expect some 35,000 republicans at his rally. in this part of the state i'm in cincinnati tonight. when you look deep in our poll you see this one will be fought out through the last poll closing on election night. look at these two candidates among independents. governor romney with a slight edge 48% to 46%. again, that's a statistical tie well within the margin of error. the auto bailout is one of the things the president thinks will help him here in ohio. you heard him mention that in this speech. look at this in the industrial northern part of the state, across northern ohio where you have many auto-related direc
obama territory now? >> we think that it is. and all of the national -- or excuse me, the ohio public polls show that, yes, president obama is leading. he lost a little bit of ground, but he's made that back up again. but one thing i would point out, chris, is that the obama campaign is seeing very different internal polling than the romney campaign is seeing and republicans told me earlier this week that last week their polls showed mitt romney up four to five points in ohio. by monday, mitt romney was leading president obama in these ohio republican internal polls by just one point. so they've seen his numbers go down. the obama campaign tells me that he's consistently led two to four points in their internal polling. so you might say that it's spin, but these two campaigns are seeing very different data and that's why they're arguing these cases that they are. >> do you trust these people that are giving you these numbers? i mean, are they just giving you numbers, or do you really believe them? which of these people are the most credible when it comes to numbers when you match them
decide the race, that is ohio. the obama camp says they have the big edge in early voting in your state and also note that they have 137 campaign offices around the country, and the romney camp has only 39. >> well, chris, first of all, you mentioned the real clear politics average in ohio, 2.3%, in the president's favor and now it is 1.9%, actually because the polls are closing, the latest poll, by the ohio newspapers, showing the race a dead heat. and that is certainly what i feel. i also feel like momentum is on our side. i have been at 6 rallies over the last week and at about a dozen centers around the state and energy and enthusiasm is on our side this year and it is interesting to watch. but, we were down 5 to 10 points before the debates and after the debates, we are about dead even and it is moving our way. >> chris: senator warner, your state of virginia is right in the path of that huge storm. if you lose power, and, you could lose it for days, could it have an effect on early voting, and even have an effect on election day? >> well, chris, the governor already declared a sta
obama said about these numbers this morning in ohio. >> today our businesses have created nearly 5.5 million new jobs, and this morning we learned that companies hired more workers in october than at any time in the last eight months. >> i want to talk about the economics and the politics of the report with our chief business correspondent ali velshi and john avalon. they're in ohio talking to the voters. ali, let's start with you since you have an economics, numbers guy here. >> yeah. >> we looked at this, and the economy stated by cnn money, they were twpg 125,000 jobs, so this number was higher at 171,000. so you have figures in august and september, also higher than we thought. what do we say about the overall growth and the health of the economy and the recovery? >> you and i talked about this before. i like the jobs creation or job loss numbers. the establishment survey more than i like the unemployment number. by the way, i feel the same way about it when it's low and when it's high. this is both ways. if you are mitt romney you get to say, the unemployment rate has gone hig
. part of why ohio's economy has bounced back is we did not let detroit go bankrupt. the obama administration bailed out the automobile industry. it's roared back to life and the big three are hiring again. yesterday mitt romney gave that obama administration success story a little mitt romney tickle. >> i saw a store today that one of the great manufacturers in this state is thinking of moving all production to china. >> wow. mr. romney saying, hey, don't get too comfy there, ohio, with the obama rescue of the automobile industry. it's been better. we saved everything here and that's why you have jobs, but don't get too comfy. i read they are moving all the jobs working for jeep. they are moving all the jeep jobs to china. he said that in ohio on the campaign trail 12 days before the election. and it is not true at all. the real jeep news that day was actually that chrysler announced they were adding 1100 new jobs in the u.s. here making jeeps in detroit. and chrysler says it could hire almost as many people at another plant in warren, michigan. chrysler is investing half a bi
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. >> and obama at 50, not at 47%. >> and obama is at 50% in ohio, willie. >> one other note inside that "new york times" poll, conventional wisdom is obama would struggle with white working-class voters in ohio anyway, not in virginia. but in ohio he's even with romney among white voters who do not have a college degree. that's very important. >> and by the way, i think he's up, what, 30% in florida? >> 30. >> he's up 30 points, willie, in florida among white voters. but in ohio, he's dead even. >> dead even. florida and virginia. >> and virginia. >> 30 points. >> think about how much of the negative bain advertising took place this summer you still see it in the numbers, doesn't care about people like me. romney's numbers are still upside down. people say governor romney doesn't care about people like them. that is still the result of a summer of pummeling in ohio by the obama campaign and the democratic super pacs which worked ohio harder, knowing that the state could be a firewall, knowing that they could hold the electoral map and take ahold of ohio. they hit him harder there than anywhe anyw
in defiance, ohio, mitt romney gave that obama administration success story a little mitt romney esque tickle. >> i saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, now owned by the italians, is thinking of moving all production to china. >> wow. mr. romney saying, hey, don't get too comfy there, ohio, with the obama rescue of the automotive industry. i know it's been better. he saved everything here and that's why you have jobs and everything, but don't get too comfy, ohio, i read that they're moving all the jobs working for jeep. they're moving all the jeep jobs to china. he said that in ohio on the campaign trail 12 days before the election. and it is not true at all. the real jeep news that day was actually that chrysler announced it was adding 1100 new jobs in the u.s. here. making jeeps in detroit. jeep grand cherokees. and chrysler says it could hire almost as many people at another plant in warren, michigan. in ohio crisler is investing half a billion dollars in its toledo plant and hiring 1100 workers. but mitt romney got up that said defiance, ohio, and said he r
, the momentum, now seems pro-obama. pennsylvania will hold, ohio looks good but close, and all the battlegrounds look winnable for the president. the huge question is turnout, that and rational self-interest. the young who believe in science, women who believe in protecting their rights, latinos who can see a brighter future with a supportive president all need to get out, show up, and vote. there's no reward for a failure. in a free society, a democratic society is a failure. deeply personal, you blew it if you don't vote. let's see where it stands. i'm joined by mother jones washington bureau chief david corn and joy reid. do you think i'm a little strong? >> no. >> i don't want to talk to anybody after this election if they haven't bothered to vote. with four days to go president obama and mitt romney made their closing arguments today at multiple stops in ohio and wisconsin. take a look at some of the sights and sounds from this day of campaigning. ♪ >> in this campaign he's tried as hard as he can to repackage, to repackage these same policies and offer them up as change. >> do you want m
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